Return-Path: Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rUsnn-00007SC; Thu, 19 Jan 95 11:05 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA14077 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 1995 11:05:02 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (MAILER@SEARN) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-13 #2494) id <01HM0X0LQZ8W00177K@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:04:26 +0200 (EET) Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0775; Thu, 19 Jan 1995 10:01:42 +0100 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 04:01:41 -0500 From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: ago (LONG and la'a incorrect :)) Sender: Lojban list Reply-to: Logical Language Group Message-id: <01HM0X0MFVVQ00177K@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT To: topic@math.hr Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 782 Lines: 20 Jorge wrote: >On the question of "ago"/"from now"/"away": > >> Yes. But I don't think the present is not useful. Especially the >> spatial equivalent, VI series. Don't tell me you claim never to need >> something like {ko'a kelci va le ckule}? > >That would be {ko'a kelci ki le ckule vaku} or simply {ko'a va kelci >ki le ckule} or even {ko'a va kelci to'o le ckule}. I have NO idea what that "ki" is supposed to mean. ko'a kelci va le ckule means ko'a plays near, but not at, the school. to'o le ckule implies that they are oriented (facing?) away from the school - to'o is in the language more for motion than for location tenses. If the event of playing is moving directly away from the school, or departing from the school, "mo'ito'o le ckule" would be appropriate. lojbab