Received: from uga.cc.uga.edu by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA20446 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 19:45:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199501290045.AA20446@nfs2.digex.net> Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4378; Sat, 28 Jan 95 19:46:53 EST Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UGA) by UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 7693; Sat, 28 Jan 1995 19:46:53 -0500 Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 19:47:23 EST Reply-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Subject: Re: ago X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Bob LeChevalier Status: RO X-From-Space-Date: Sat Jan 28 19:45:03 1995 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu And: > > ko'a jbena pu le nunjamna za lei ci nanca > > He was born past of the war, magnitude (medium) three years. > > He was born three years before the war. > > What is the rule whereby the za is understood as the displacement > of the pu? That is how tenses pile up. {ko'a puza jbena} means "he was born in the past (of now), magnitude of offset: a medium time. I propose that the sumti complement specifies better each component, the origin for pu and the more specific magnitude for za. This is nothing new. That's how things work for the ZEhAs: ko'a ze'a jbena He was being born for some time. ko'a jbena ze'a lo cacra He was being born for one hour. I'm only proposing to extend this to the ZIs. > I wonder whether it might be possible to give {pu} and its ilk an > extra argument, for the displacement: x1 is before x2 in magnitude > x3. I suspect that that might impose too great a change upon the > syntax. And is not really needed, because that is exactly the function of the ZIs: to give the magnitude of the displacement. Jorge