Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 03:32:37 -0500
From: Logical Language Group <lojbab>
Message-Id: <199501240832.AA26955@access4.digex.net>
To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu
Subject:   Re: ki le ckule
Cc: lojbab@access.digex.net
Status: RO


>> There ar enumerous other words, members of FAhA, that can be more explicit
>> (ne'i?).
>
>Why not simply "bu'u"? Does "vi <sumti>" mean the same as "bu'u <sumti>"?

Hey, I don't know all the FAhA words.  "vi" was there in JCB's day.  All the
FAhAs came later.

I think that "vi" has been used colloquially to mean "within a short radius
of" where the radius is close enough to mean "At".  Thus, though I live
15 miles from the District, I live "vi la .uacintyn" when talking to outsider
s
though perhaps "va" when talking to District of Columbia residents.
Your snail mail address means that you live vi la pitsburg. by either definiti

definition.  So I think "vi" is a superset of "bu'u", and includes several
other FAhA members which are specific as to location within "vi".

But of course remember that vi is not in FAhA, and has a slightly different s

set of grammatical usages in compounds as well.  It is for those compound
useages that we really need to have something vague, since having two sets
of FAhA, (or having still another "grammar shift" like MOhI to proevent
ambiguity in such compounds) is a bit too much.

>> No its elliptical - you cannot say withh certainty what it means without
>> knowing the context.
>
>Can you give a context where it could mean something else?

No.  I have never used "ki" in any context.  I thought of it for the
language primarily for use in the Arabian Nights which hass massive numbers
of context shifts, and have seldom thought about it except in such gross l
evel
context-shift paradigm.

lojbab