Return-Path: Received: from fiport.funet.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rYN23-00007VC; Sun, 29 Jan 95 01:58 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (MAILER@SEARN) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-13 #2494) id <01HMECPH6PRK000TNS@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Sat, 28 Jan 1995 23:53:53 +0200 (EET) Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 5992; Sun, 29 Jan 1995 00:54:53 +0100 Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 23:56:44 +0000 From: ucleaar Subject: Re: ago In-reply-to: (Your message of Sat, 28 Jan 95 13:13:11 EST.) Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: ucleaar Message-id: <01HMECPH8IR6000TNS@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Content-Length: 1224 Lines: 29 I've been failing to keep up with this debate, so please forgive questions the answers to which have doubtless already been presented. > Currently {zi}, {za} and {zu} have no use as sumti tcita. It is a waste > to have such nice short words for something so abstruse as "some time > to the past or future of...", which in any case if need be can be said > with {pujaba}. > Since ZIs and VAs are magnitudes of the displacement, and what we need > is a way of identifying sumti as the magnitudes of the displacement, > and the function that ZIs and VAs have now as tcita is totally redundant, > I think it is clear that their sumti complement should be the magnitude > of the displacement. What are the arguments against? Reluctance to countenance change? > ko'a jbena pu le nunjamna za lei ci nanca > He was born past of the war, magnitude (medium) three years. > He was born three years before the war. What is the rule whereby the za is understood as the displacement of the pu? I wonder whether it might be possible to give {pu} and its ilk an extra argument, for the displacement: x1 is before x2 in magnitude x3. I suspect that that might impose too great a change upon the syntax. --- And