Return-Path: Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rY1nu-00007VC; Sat, 28 Jan 95 03:18 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA03698 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 1995 03:18:17 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (MAILER@SEARN) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-13 #2494) id <01HMD1786OHS000KVG@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Sat, 28 Jan 1995 01:13:48 +0200 (EET) Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2148; Sat, 28 Jan 1995 02:14:36 +0100 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 19:14:49 -0500 (EST) From: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Subject: Re: more on vi/fa'a/to'o Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Message-id: <01HMD17873KI000KVG@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1080 Lines: 41 la i,n cusku di'e > I thought the idea was that one pair (fa'a/to'o, I think) > was about motion relative to the specified point (if any), > and the other (ze'o/zo'i) was about motion starting from > the specified point, but relative to the origin. That makes sense. I think I finally understand them! > So > > mo'ifa'a ko'a towards X > mo'ito'o ko'a away from X > mo'ize'o ko'a outwards from X (i.e. away from here, starting from X) > mo'izo'i ko'a inwards from X (i.e. towards here, starting from X) > > ^ > | mo'ize'o > | > mo'ifa'a | mo'ito'o > -------> X -------> > | > | mo'izo'i > v > > O > > So {ze'o} and {zo'i} are special cases of {to'o}. > > I suggest the following corresponding static interpretations. > > fa'a near to (more or less redundant with {ne'a}) > to'o distant from (more or less redundant with {na'ene'a}) > zo'i cis, on this side of > ze'o trans, on the other side of I like it! Thanks for the clarification. I'll remove zo'i and ze'o from my hit-list ;) Jorge