Return-Path: Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rWH8Y-00007TC; Mon, 23 Jan 95 07:16 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA02740 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 1995 07:16:22 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (MAILER@SEARN) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-13 #2494) id <01HM6A2OQ7PC000IZ8@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Mon, 23 Jan 1995 05:11:54 +0200 (EET) Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3701; Mon, 23 Jan 1995 06:12:59 +0100 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 00:06:36 -0500 From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: ki le ckule Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: Logical Language Group Message-id: <01HM6A2OR7HU000IZ8@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 788 Lines: 20 "vi [sumti] hasss historically meant "here at" [sumti]. "vi" is pragamatically defined to be a disstance short enough to still be "here", whereas "va" is a distance associated with "there"(ta), and "vu" with "tu". There ar enumerous other words, members of FAhA, that can be more explicit (ne'i?). >> Probably "do'eki le ckule", whatever that means ... > >Perhaps fixing the origin at {le ckule}? I can't see it meaning >anything else, and that meaning seems almost self evident. No its elliptical - you cannot say withh certainty what it means without knowing the context. It might become conventional to use the expression in the way you suggest, but it was not and is not obvious at this point barring such a convention because there is so little context for your text. lojbab