Return-Path: Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rWHYB-00007TC; Mon, 23 Jan 95 07:42 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA03366 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 1995 07:42:50 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (MAILER@SEARN) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-13 #2494) id <01HM6AZJ2XJK000CGT@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Mon, 23 Jan 1995 05:38:23 +0200 (EET) Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4549; Mon, 23 Jan 1995 06:39:31 +0100 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 00:40:56 -0500 From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: replies re. ka & mamta be ma Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: Logical Language Group Message-id: <01HM6AZJPM46000CGT@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: ucleaar@ucl.ac.uk X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 523 Lines: 15 I just checked versions of the cmavo list from 4/93 and 8/93 and neither meantions an x2 for "ka". Are youi sure you are reading correctly? The text says: >ka NU property abstract abstractor: >property/quality abstractor (-ness); x1 is quality/property exhibited by >[bridi] [bridi] is NOT the x2, but is the bridi grammatically contained within the ka/kei brackets. The ka/kei forms a new selbri, which has only 1 place - the property abstraction of that bracketed bridi. lojbab