Received: from uga.cc.uga.edu by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA16574 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 03:58:39 -0500 Message-Id: <199501300858.AA16574@nfs2.digex.net> Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0911; Mon, 30 Jan 95 04:00:29 EST Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UGA) by UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8307; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 04:00:20 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 02:53:37 -0500 Reply-To: arthur.nghiem@utmb.edu Sender: Lojban list From: "Arthur X. Nghiem" Subject: Lojban [Re: definitional debates] X-To: LOJBAN@CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU To: Bob LeChevalier Status: RO X-From-Space-Date: Mon Jan 30 03:58:42 1995 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu > On Sun, 29 Jan 1995 arthur.nghiem@utmb.edu wrote: > >"hyper religious." > > > > > > This is a symptom, not a diagnosis. > > ^^^^^^^ > > I saw your discourse with on this. > > My Random House Dictionary has both your and definition > > next to it. > > What does your medical dictionary say? That's where to look, since we're > talking about medicine here. Medical Library is replete with various > ones, and I've got both a Dorland's and a Stedman's in my office you're > free to consult. > > This is one instance in which I'd be *very* surprised if Dr. > disagreed with what I wrote. OTOH, as you point out, hyperreligiosity > comes much closer to meeting the definition I use for 'sign,' not > 'symptom.' I've never heard a patient complain of feeling hyperreligious > except in retrospect. So it may also be the case that I disagree with what > I wrote... > > I believe it is proper for the scientific MH community to ban the > > use of both "symptom" and "sign." > > What would you have us use? Especially since Dr. insists > everything psychiatric is a symptom? > > > What are the latin equivalents? > > These are anglicized Latin terms to begin with. Symptom from sinthoma and > sign from signum. This is medical Latin, however, and the ancients used > indicium or signum, since they didn't tend to pay much attention to what > patients said. > Dear Lojban Speakers, I would like to find out the unambiguous Lojban terms that can replace "sign" and "symptom." A "sign" being a positive indicator of MH problem. A "symptom" being a cause for suspicion. Please discuss this amongs yourselves on "LOJBAN@CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU" where I can watch the discussion. BTW There may "signs" and "symptoms" that are culturally base and some that definately are not. Possibly making four terms needed. Maybe even more! I wish to report your consensus to the party I was addressing. Thank you, Arthur Nghiem P.S. Please don't change the Subject title on this thread.