Return-Path: Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rVUWy-00007TC; Sat, 21 Jan 95 03:22 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA00210 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 1995 03:22:19 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (MAILER@SEARN) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-13 #2494) id <01HM39AS8DG000069R@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Sat, 21 Jan 1995 01:17:48 +0200 (EET) Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 5670; Sat, 21 Jan 1995 02:18:53 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 19:00:44 -0500 From: Logical Language Group Subject: ki le ckule Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: Logical Language Group Message-id: <01HM39AS8Y6A00069R@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 848 Lines: 24 >> I have NO idea what that "ki" is supposed to mean. > >Is it really so weird? I thought it was more or less evident. >Given that {ki} marks the origin, all I meant was that {le ckule} >was the origin. Ah maybe you wanted "viki le ckule ko'a va kelci" But note that this is a lasting change to the space-time reference that carries on until another "ki" or an appropriate number of "ni'o"s >What does {ki le ckule} mean, then? Or is that another of those >meaningless constructions that And likes so much? :) Probably "do'eki le ckule", whatever that means ... "ki" by itself cancels any existing special default-reference set at some earlier point. Being a piece of a tense, it can serve as a sumti tcita by itself, but what that sumti tcita means is very vague... and lasting until the next "ki" as the new space time reference.. lojbab