Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 19:18:30 -0700
From: Chris Bogart <cbogart@QUETZAL.COM>
Subject: Re: replies re. ka & mamta be ma
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>Chris:
>> Perhaps adding "ca'e" would help: does "ko klama" mean "ca'e mi minde lenu
>> do klama"?

And:
>{cahe} = "I define"? I don't understand. I suspect you might be seeking
>a rendition of "hereby", though I don't see how this might relate to
>{cahe}.

I believe you are mistaken about the meaning of "ca'e".  It's glossed as "I
define", but the reference grammar describes it as a particle which creates
a performative.  Isn't that exactly what "hereby" does?

>Anyway, if it is "hereby" you're after, then I agree it's almost
>a solution, as follows:
>   dei minde le nu do klama
>or
>  dei nu mi minde le nu do klama
>I say "almost a solution", because technically the utterances are
>assertions, subject to truth-conditions rather than satisfaction-
>conditions.

I'm not sure what ca'e does to truth vs. satisfaction conditions.  If I say
"I hereby command you to go away", can you possibly claim that the sentence
is false and in fact I *don't* command you to go away?

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