Return-Path: Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rWfao-00007UC; Tue, 24 Jan 95 09:23 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA26531 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 1995 09:23:08 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (MAILER@SEARN) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-13 #2494) id <01HM7SS6AP9C000TFX@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Tue, 24 Jan 1995 07:18:39 +0200 (EET) Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 7936; Tue, 24 Jan 1995 08:19:45 +0100 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 02:20:46 -0500 From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: whiskey lovers Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: Logical Language Group Message-id: <01HM7SS72FMA000TFX@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: ucleaar@ucl.ac.uk X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 875 Lines: 16 >Sorry to keep going on about this, but I'm still not clear what {ka} means. >I take on board what you say (and conclude that I've hitherto misunderstood >the meaning of {ka}). What is the essential difference between {ka zzohe >xunre}, on the one hand, and {duhu zohe xunre}, {nu zohe xunre} and >{lihi zohe xunre} on the other? Is it a way of talking about the semantic >selbri - the relationship that holds between the sumti? Exactly. ka are thosse properties of the relationsship that help you determine the truth value. SSometimes the properties can be specific to only one of the sumti in the relationship, or rather try to look at the relationssship from the point of view of the one participant. This is what Cowan has specified should be marked with a lambda variable "dakau" (that should be "role"/sumti-place, not "participant", in the lasts sentence. lojbab