Return-Path: Received: from fiport.funet.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rZUmX-00007eC; Wed, 1 Feb 95 04:26 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (MAILER@SEARN) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-13 #2494) id <01HMIORS7NQ80006R8@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Wed, 01 Feb 1995 02:22:30 +0200 (EET) Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4183; Wed, 1 Feb 1995 03:22:12 +0100 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 21:26:02 -0500 (EST) From: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Subject: Re: replies re. ka Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Message-id: <01HMIORSLHYU0006R8@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Content-Length: 1375 Lines: 40 la and cusku di'e > But at any rate I think it's valuable to establish > whether makau is an easy way to say what could be said without makau, > using only the already existing means, or whether it increases the > expressive power of the lg. I feel it doesn't increase expressive > power: it is an optional add-on, a useful convenience. ie i ku'i pe'i la'e di'u cu jetnu sera'a ro cmavo > Incidentally, how about > > koha kohe frica le se skari > > which wd save a lot of tears. na'e nabmi i ku'i kakne se smuni le du'u ko'a ko'e frica le ka ke'a se skari makau kei kei e le du'u ko'a ko'e se frica le ka ke'a se skari fi makau kei kei e lo drata > > > That all seems well and good. I merely wonder whether there is a rule > > > that says the ZI specifies the displacement of the most recent PU. > > > Is it always unambiguous which PU any ZI specifies the displacement of? > > i na ka'e se senpi va'o le nu zo pu joi zo zi tagji jorne lo > > selbri i mi sruma le du'u mintu va'o le nu sumti tcita > > How are they tagji jorne lo selbri? mu'a <> enai <> > And what are mintu? mintu mit mi'u same 'identical' x1 is the same/identical thing as x2 by standard x3; i pe'i le smuni be lu puzi li'u ne va'o le nu ri tagji jorne lo selbri cu mintu le smuni ne va'o le nu ri sumti tcita co'o mi'e xorxes