Received: from mail.crl.com by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA06245 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 1 Jan 1995 20:07:04 -0500 Received: from crl5.crl.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA23506 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 1 Jan 1995 17:07:02 -0800 Received: by crl5.crl.com id AA11570 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for Bob LeChevalier ); Sun, 1 Jan 1995 17:07:00 -0800 Date: Sun, 1 Jan 1995 17:06:59 -0800 (PST) From: "John E. Clifford" To: Bob LeChevalier Subject: this is for you Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-From-Space-Date: Sun Jan 1 20:07:09 1995 X-From-Space-Address: pcliffje@crl.com I have looked at TAhE now. What a strange -- and small -- group! I had remembered -- when I started to think about it -- thaat there were more extensional members: regularly, rarely and the like. But I suppose that some of these at least are in PAROI. As for na'o and ta'e, the first thing to say is that they ARE intensional -- and ta'e probably even intentional. That is, they are not so much about what is going on (how often, what pattern, etc.) as about why they are going on -- in terms of somepersons life-style/mind-set. Or lack thereof. Within that, ta'e is personal only and means that the person does this regularly (not necessarily on schedule, but often and when certain occasions arise) without separate decisions about it (or with the "decision" being a foregone certainty). It is not necessarily the agent's judgment that this is a habit -- it is more liely an observers -- but the judgment is about a mental statwe broadly speaking of the agent. OTOH na'o can be -- and often is about a group (clan, society, species, whatever)and bears, thus, some relation to "the aver group-member." It can also be individual. In either case, it says less about mental states than about character. An typical event may a real decision each time (but note, it may be an event that happens only once) and always might be decided against, but the agent's character is such that the event is more likely than not and the fact that it does occur tells us something profound about the agent. I hope this is not ignotum per ignotius. pc>|83