Return-Path: Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rVf32-00007TC; Sat, 21 Jan 95 14:36 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA19092 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 1995 14:36:06 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (MAILER@SEARN) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-13 #2494) id <01HM3WU6MGOW000BWH@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Sat, 21 Jan 1995 12:31:37 +0200 (EET) Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9723; Sat, 21 Jan 1995 13:32:45 +0100 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 13:34:20 +0100 (MET) From: Goran Topic Subject: Indirect questions and other langs Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: Goran Topic Message-id: <01HM3WU6OUEA000BWH@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: Lojban Listserv MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1247 Lines: 28 I promised to bring you some info on Old Irish use of indirect questions and I've only now gotten to it. Old Irish was peculiar as an example because it has no relative pronouns. Anyway, things stand like this: You can't say "I see what happened", only "I see that which happened [there]", {Ad.ciu a tarlu and}= BUT, "I see when he came" is perfectly OK: {Ad.ci'u in tan do.dechnid} = Not much help there, I suppose. But I did find a cute fact about Latin (which supports a guess I made): In pre-classical Latin there was a clear distinction between "I know who came" and "I don't know who came". In the former, {venire} was in indicative, while in the latter it took a conjunctive form, that bore the mark of uncertainty to it. The guess I referred to was to use {mi djuno ledu'u dakau klama} and {mi na djuno ledu'u makau klama}. I've rambled enough of comparative linguistics in the last two posts, so I'll just shut up now. :) Private mail me if this sort of not-strictly- in-topic posts bothers you. co'o mi'e. goran. -- Learn languages! The more langs you know, the more incomprehensible you can get e'udoCILreleiBANgu.izo'ozo'onairoBANguteDJUnobedocubanRI'a.ailekadonaka'eSELjmi