Return-Path: Received: from fiport.funet.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rYNlk-00007VC; Sun, 29 Jan 95 02:45 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (MAILER@SEARN) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-13 #2494) id <01HMEECZ348W000P75@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Sun, 29 Jan 1995 00:41:04 +0200 (EET) Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 7091; Sun, 29 Jan 1995 01:41:35 +0100 Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 19:47:23 -0500 (EST) From: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Subject: Re: ago Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Message-id: <01HMEECZ3L76000P75@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Content-Length: 1107 Lines: 33 And: > > ko'a jbena pu le nunjamna za lei ci nanca > > He was born past of the war, magnitude (medium) three years. > > He was born three years before the war. > > What is the rule whereby the za is understood as the displacement > of the pu? That is how tenses pile up. {ko'a puza jbena} means "he was born in the past (of now), magnitude of offset: a medium time. I propose that the sumti complement specifies better each component, the origin for pu and the more specific magnitude for za. This is nothing new. That's how things work for the ZEhAs: ko'a ze'a jbena He was being born for some time. ko'a jbena ze'a lo cacra He was being born for one hour. I'm only proposing to extend this to the ZIs. > I wonder whether it might be possible to give {pu} and its ilk an > extra argument, for the displacement: x1 is before x2 in magnitude > x3. I suspect that that might impose too great a change upon the > syntax. And is not really needed, because that is exactly the function of the ZIs: to give the magnitude of the displacement. Jorge