Return-Path: Received: from fiport.funet.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rZSt9-00007eC; Wed, 1 Feb 95 02:25 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (MAILER@SEARN) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-13 #2494) id <01HMIKJDZSGW000UYI@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Wed, 01 Feb 1995 00:21:14 +0200 (EET) Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8071; Wed, 1 Feb 1995 01:22:05 +0100 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 23:29:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Iain Alexander Subject: Re: replies re. ka Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: ia@stryx.demon.co.uk Message-id: <01HMIKJFDE7A000UYI@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Content-Length: 1028 Lines: 30 In message <9501310152.aa26548@punt.demon.co.uk> jorge@phyast.pitt.edu writes: > And: > > Ex, she knows that x is the identity of the set of the colours of the > > house. > > (1) ko'a djuno le du'u le zdani cu skari makau > > (2) da zo'u ko'a djuno le du'u da ka du lo'i se skari be le zdani > > If the house is blue, then (1) tells me that she knows that the house is > blue, while (2) tells me that she knows what is the identity of the set > {blue}. Are those two equivalent? pe'i le me li re cu mapti .inaja se basti lu << (2a)mai da zo'u ko'a djuno le du'u da ka [ge'oly.] se skari be le zdani >> li'u (to ko.e'a jaigau basti fai ledo neinrai me ge'oly. cenba lu ge'oly. li'u toi zo'o:) .ijo je'u srana lo'i ka blanu ku su'anai .i zu'unai mi nalmutce nelci la'ede'u ki'unai la'edi'u .i mi zmanei tu'a lo me ge'oly. cenba .e zo kau co'omi'e .i,n. noi na jibni ponse lo lojbo dziselci'a -- Iain Alexander ia@stryx.demon.co.uk I.Alexander@bra0125.wins.icl.co.uk