Received: from uga.cc.uga.edu by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA24464 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 02:06:02 -0500 Message-Id: <199501230706.AA24464@nfs1.digex.net> Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2987; Mon, 23 Jan 95 02:07:51 EST Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UGA) by UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1754; Mon, 23 Jan 1995 02:07:34 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 07:04:25 +0000 Reply-To: ucleaar Sender: Lojban list From: ucleaar Subject: Re: whiskey lovers X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Bob LeChevalier In-Reply-To: (Your message of Mon, 23 Jan 95 01:48:10 EST.) <199501230648.AA24987@access1.digex.net> Status: RO X-From-Space-Date: Mon Jan 23 02:06:12 1995 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu > Since melbi hass 4 places, "ka melbi" is 'possessed' (whatever that means) > by an object that is perceived beautiful, an observer, an aspect that is found > beautiful about the object, and an aesthetic standard. There is no stronger > tie to the beautiful object thhan to the aesthetic standard in "ka melbi". > The property of a relationship srana all of the sumti of that relationship > The object possesses no beauty in Lojban independent of the observer, aspect, > and standard. Sorry to keep going on about this, but I'm still not clear what {ka} means. I take on board what you say (and conclude that I've hitherto misunderstood the meaning of {ka}). What is the essential difference between {ka zzohe xunre}, on the one hand, and {duhu zohe xunre}, {nu zohe xunre} and {lihi zohe xunre} on the other? Is it a way of talking about the semantic selbri - the relationship that holds between the sumti? --- And