From: Logical Language Group Message-Id: <199502141650.AA21156@access2.digex.net> Subject: Existence and occurrence of events (was: ago24 & replies) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 11:50:17 -0500 (EST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-From-Space-Date: Tue Feb 14 11:50:30 1995 X-From-Space-Address: lojbab la .and. cusku di'e > I agree. {lo nu} means an event that actually happens. {le nu} can mean > anything, being nonveridical. Ideally we'll find a way to do > +veridical irrealis. I've just posted a suggestion for using {dahi}. Historically, Loglan/Lojban has made a distinction between an event "existing" and it "happening" or "occurring". Every bridi may be made into an event, which then "exists"; the event of "my eating a hamburger for breakfast today" exists, even though I did not eat a hamburger for breakfast today. This is necessary in order to use such things in opaque contexts. In order to assert that an event happens or occurs, that it characterizes a portion of real-world spacetime, we can use the predicate "fasnu", thus: lo nu mi citka pa -hamburger ca le cabdei cu na fasnu That-which-really-is an-event-of me eating one hamburger today did not happen. -- John Cowan sharing account for now e'osai ko sarji la lojban.