From: Logical Language Group Message-Id: <199502061514.AA10911@access2.digex.net> Subject: zi'o (was: jorne) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 10:14:39 -0500 (EST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-From-Space-Date: Mon Feb 6 10:14:56 1995 X-From-Space-Address: lojbab la .and. cusku di'e > Personally I would favour 5 cmavo in SE meaning "delete x1/x2/x4/x4/x5", > or something similar that wouldn't require extra cmavo, such that > the deletion of a sumti-place is indicated by modification of the > selbri rather than by filling the deleted place. I think that would > make more apparent the lujvo-creating function of ziho. I wrestled with exactly that idea for a long time. The damned trouble is that lujvo aren't limited to just 5 places: they can have any number. So no such scheme will suffice: one needs the ability to include full numbers in lujvo. Now admittedly numbers do have rafsi, so the lujvo version of this would work quite well. But the expanded version, with "xi'o " seemed tremendously ugly. As a result, the current hole-plugging scheme is now used syntactically and the embedded-number scheme morphologically, which satisfies nobody. -- John Cowan sharing account for now e'osai ko sarji la lojban.