Return-Path: Received: from fiport.funet.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rbnTe-00001oC; Tue, 7 Feb 95 12:48 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (MAILER@SEARN) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-13 #2494) id <01HMRK2CZ40G00274C@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Tue, 07 Feb 1995 10:44:36 +0200 (EET) Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1894; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 11:45:24 +0100 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 1995 05:47:00 -0500 From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: jorne Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: Logical Language Group Message-id: <01HMRK2CZMUQ00274C@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: ucleaar@ucl.ac.uk X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Content-Length: 852 Lines: 19 If a flag doesn't stand for ANYTHING (not even its bearer) it is just a pretty piece of art (larcu) or a pattern (morna). >Me too. Incidentally, I think {zmanei}, used recently, I >noticed, by both me & Iain, is better than {neirmau}, since >you basically want the place structure of nelci rather than >zmadu, & dikyjvo/jvajvo rules say the last rafsi is primary >determinant of place structure. I think. One reasson why I don't buy them. I like comparatives in final position. It sounds better. I don't care what the "rules" say this means the place structure should be. But the specific rules for dikyjvo differ by lujvo type,, so I'm not sure you are correct as to how they are determined. In tanru of course, the final gismu is determining of place structure for trailing places (and for leading places if "co" hasn't been used). lojbab