Return-Path: Received: from fiport.funet.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rbckP-00001FC; Tue, 7 Feb 95 01:21 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (MAILER@SEARN) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-13 #2494) id <01HMQW1CIAHS002IEM@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Mon, 06 Feb 1995 23:16:43 +0200 (EET) Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9981; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 00:16:15 +0100 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 1995 17:15:27 -0500 (EST) From: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Subject: Re: pronouns (was: replies re. ka & mamta be ma) Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Message-id: <01HMQW1HXWN2002IEM@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Content-Length: 600 Lines: 15 la djan cusku di'e > > or you can avoid pronouns altogether, which are nothing but convenient > > optional add-ons anyway ;) > > Well, no. As Quine points out, the da-series does real work, and is > indispensable for reference & reification (q.v. in >Quiddities<); the > other KOhA cmavo are probably dispensable. I'm not sure that the work of {da} can't be handled by {lo}, but anyway, the argument was that {goi} was dispensable. This concerns the assignable pronouns, not the da-series. It would be interesting to see something using {da} that can't be re-expressed without using it. Jorge