Message-Id: <199502230300.AA05142@nfs1.digex.net> From: ucleaar Date: Wed Feb 22 22:00:32 1995 Subject: Re: Existence and occurrence of events (was: ago24 & replies) X-From-Space-Date: Wed Feb 22 22:00:32 1995 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu Jorge: > > > If the event I try for occurs, then I've succeeded. If some other related > > > event occurs, but not the one I've tried for, then I've failed. > > You're right if you translate it as {mi troci lo nu mi muvgau lo rokci}. > > If you translate it as {mi troci lo nu lo rokci cu muvdu} then you're > > wrong. > Why? What do you mean by {mi troci lo nu lo rokci cu muvdu}? I try to bring about an event of the rock moving. I try to get the rock to move. > Where does it say that I have to be the agent of the movement? Nowhere. > Does {troci} automatically have a {gasnu} implied, so that {mi > troci lo nu } is really an elided form of {mi > troci lo nu mi gasnu lo nu }? No. ---- And