From LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu Fri Feb 17 20:54:46 1995 Message-Id: <199502180154.AA19475@nfs1.digex.net> Date: Fri Feb 17 20:54:46 1995 From: ucleaar Subject: Re: Gricean formula? Kris: > pc: > >> (indeed, mentioning trying usually suggests -- not so > >> Griceanly -- the failing). > and: > >The only way in which "try" implies "fail" is 'Gricean'. > zoi gy. Grice gy. mo? Philosopher responsible for the influential idea that utterance interpretation is a product of literal sentence meaning and very general principles that apply to communication in general, and not to any specific language. [It may seem an obvious idea, but if you read linguistics from pre 1970s you realize that at the time it wasn't.] He had more to say than this, and more specific proposals, but this, I take it, is roughly what we mean by 'Gricean'. > .i pau gy. kukte se stasu xu? No. Or at least such a meaning is not in the least what was intended. I feel confident pc wd concur. > .ija pau mi gy. ka'e pilno lenu lo karce co'a minra xu? Not this either, even though I've no idea what {lo karce coha minra} is. > .ija pau rinka lenu le denci cu blabi xu? No. > .iku'i na vajni vau .i ko mrilu pa bakfu be la gric. mi > ba'e ca .au I hope you're not disappointed. > ni'oni'o mi ba'o tcidu lei datni be la guaspis noi drata > selfinti bangu .i la guaspis cu se dzena la lojban. joi la > loglan. gi'e mutce cinri .i lei datni cu se stuzi zoi by. > http://www.math.ucla.edu/%jimc by. .i zasti fa le cinri > nuncasnu be fi le nunsmuni be lei bridi be'o be'o noi mi > jinvi ledu'u la xorxes. joi la .and. cu lakne se cinri How about reporting on what jimc says? If not on Lojban list, then on, say, Conlang - though perhaps matters perinent to "generic loglan" might not be out of place on this list. --- And