Return-Path: Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0reQzc-00001GC; Tue, 14 Feb 95 19:24 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA05236 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 19:24:50 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (MAILER@SEARN) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-13 #2494) id <01HN1PSD0M8W000054@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 17:18:31 +0200 (EET) Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8883; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 17:54:04 +0100 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 11:50:17 -0500 From: Logical Language Group Subject: Existence and occurrence of events (was: ago24 & replies) In-reply-to: <199502140659.AA13868@nfs2.digex.net> from "ucleaar" at Feb 14, 95 01:41:29 am Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: Logical Language Group Message-id: <01HN1PU6SHHU000054@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: Lojban List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1038 Lines: 23 la .and. cusku di'e > I agree. {lo nu} means an event that actually happens. {le nu} can mean > anything, being nonveridical. Ideally we'll find a way to do > +veridical irrealis. I've just posted a suggestion for using {dahi}. Historically, Loglan/Lojban has made a distinction between an event "existing" and it "happening" or "occurring". Every bridi may be made into an event, which then "exists"; the event of "my eating a hamburger for breakfast today" exists, even though I did not eat a hamburger for breakfast today. This is necessary in order to use such things in opaque contexts. In order to assert that an event happens or occurs, that it characterizes a portion of real-world spacetime, we can use the predicate "fasnu", thus: lo nu mi citka pa -hamburger ca le cabdei cu na fasnu That-which-really-is an-event-of me eating one hamburger today did not happen. -- John Cowan sharing account for now e'osai ko sarji la lojban.