Return-Path: Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0re2tu-00001pC; Mon, 13 Feb 95 17:41 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA19639 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 17:41:20 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (MAILER@SEARN) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-13 #2494) id <01HN07RYV51S003GH2@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 15:30:47 +0200 (EET) Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1883; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 00:19:45 +0100 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 16:11:44 -0700 From: Chris Bogart Subject: Re: replies re. ka & mamta be ma Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: Chris Bogart Message-id: <01HN07S9WG3W003GH2@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1116 Lines: 24 >> > Suppose you had to >> > devise a notation for all numbers. [...] One symbol alone will >> > not suffice. I guess some mathematician has worked out how few will >> > suffice. >> Two. It's called binary notation ;) > >Wdn't that just do positive integers? You could put a 0 or 1 at the beginning and by convention let it mean positive or negative. More generally, you could come up with an encoding for all rational numbers using, say the ASCII character set (the irrationals can't be represented with a finite string), then convert the resulting string into binary. But then the 0s and 1s really would be more like "subsymbols" than "symbols", wouldn't they? Determining how many symbols you'd need would depend on how you defined a symbol. (for that matter, you could convert the ascii representation into a single very large number, and put that many 1's in a row, presumably then representing any rational number with a string of 1's -- one symbol only!) ____ Chris Bogart \ / ftp://ftp.csn.org/cbogart/html/homepage.html Quetzal Consulting \/ cbogart@quetzal.com