Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rm9Ww-00007YC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 02:23 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3325; Wed, 08 Mar 95 02:23:07 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3323; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 02:23:07 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1989; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 01:19:10 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 18:48:36 EST Reply-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Subject: Re: truth vs. fact X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1132 Lines: 31 > >> Real Fictional > >> false true Sherlock Holmes solved many crimes. > > >Agreed that it is false, but not because there is no Sherlock Holmes, > >since obviously there is. > > I disagree that it is false. If you can have a statement that includes > a fictional "Sherlock Holmes", then you can have a statement that > includes fictional "many crimes". I have no problem with that, as long as "many crimes" can be equally well {so'i zekri} or {so'i da poi zekri}. > True: Sherlock Holmes solved many crimes. > False: Sherlock Holmes solved many real crimes. Ok, then True: so'i da poi zekri zo'u la crlok xolmyz cu dafyfa'i da False: so'i da poi tolxanri zekri zo'u la crlok xolmz cu dafyda'i da > If "lo" can be used to make statements about fictional unicorns, then it > can be used to make statements about fictional crimes. This is because > "lo" descriptions refer to things that fill the indicated x1 place, i.e. > they have the properties required of things that fill that place. Exactly. Just like {da poi ke'a broda}, things that can fill the place indicated by ke'a. No more, no less. Jorge