Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rmAW0-00007YC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 03:26 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4609; Wed, 08 Mar 95 03:26:11 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4606; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 03:26:10 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 6267; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 02:22:11 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 18:08:40 -0700 Reply-To: Chris Bogart Sender: Lojban list From: Chris Bogart Subject: Re: selbri as sumti To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1570 Lines: 59 >I have tried to ask this question before, but never fruitfully. >I find examples of things that behave like both selbri and sumti. >I am too ignorant to know what is going on. I'll try my hand at it... >PROBLEM ONE >How can we say "I always do my shopping on the same day of the >week"? how about: mi vecnu ca ro lo pa jefydje ta'o I don't understand why you used "ca ro me da" in your attempt rather than "ca ro da". >PROBLEM TWO >"I ate a strange kind of fish". What I ate was not strange. >This seems to me to mean: > (a) X is the category of subcategories of the category of fish > (b) Ey X(y), strange(y) > (c) Ez Y(z), I ate (z) mi citka da .i da finpe de .i de cizra ==> mi citka le finpe be de poi cizra or maybe mi citka le finpe be lo cizra I would think that mi citka le cizra jutsi finpe would also work, but it doesn't answer your question about subcategories. >PROBLEM THREE >"Today I performed my quotidian activities": > (a) X is a subcategory of the category of my activities > (b) Quotidian(X) > [Where if Quotidian(X) then Ad day(d) Ez X(z) & z happens > on d] > (c) Ey X(y) I performed y mi ca le cabdei cu gasnu lei se gasnu be ca ro djedi or maybe mi ca le cabdei cu gasnu lei mi roldje selgau or mi cabdei gasnu lei mi roldje selgau I have a feeling I've worded my way around your real concerns, though. ____ Chris Bogart \ / ftp://ftp.csn.org/cbogart/html/homepage.html Quetzal Consulting \/ cbogart@quetzal.com