Return-Path: Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rnPFR-00007ZC; Sat, 11 Mar 95 13:22 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.10+Emil1.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA15994 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 13:22:16 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (MAILER@SEARN) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-13 #2494) id <01HO0AK4PMYO001NOF@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 11:18:15 +0200 (EET) Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0512; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 12:18:32 +0100 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 11:19:47 +0000 From: ucleaar Subject: Re: On {lo} and existence In-reply-to: (Your message of Fri, 10 Mar 95 16:01:36 EST.) Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: ucleaar Message-id: <01HO0AK5EMFA001NOF@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 708 Lines: 19 Jorge: > la djan cusku di'e > > > {dahinai} = real. {dahi} = real or imaginary. "Real" means "real in the > > > universe of discourse". "Imaginary" means "not real in the universe of > > > discourse". > > Note that "xanri" does not mean "imaginary" in this sense, due to its x2; > > for something to be "imaginary" in the Lojban sense, there must exist an > > imaginer. > Can something be "imaginary" in And's sense without there being an > imaginer? I won't even try to imagine what that could be, or I would > spoil it. My intention is that dahi(nai) is not defined by the existence of an imaginer or restrictable by the identity of an imaginer. "Imaginary" is simply the complement of "real". --- And