Return-Path: Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rnVnm-00007ZC; Sat, 11 Mar 95 20:22 EET Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.10+Emil1.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA01477 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 20:22:09 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (MAILER@SEARN) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-13 #2494) id <01HO0P7P6JU8001SF9@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 18:18:07 +0200 (EET) Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0565; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 19:18:08 +0100 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 13:23:49 -0500 (EST) From: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Subject: Re: On {lo} and existence Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Message-id: <01HO0P7PYS3A001SF9@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 470 Lines: 12 And: > My intention is that dahi(nai) is not defined by the existence of > an imaginer or restrictable by the identity of an imaginer. "Imaginary" > is simply the complement of "real". I guess this takes us too much into metaphysics. Is there such a thing as a language independently of its users? You seem to like to think that there is, I tend to think not, at least right now. Lojban seems to favour my point of view, given that bangu has an x2 place... :) Jorge