Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rpMrB-0000YuC; Thu, 16 Mar 95 23:13 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5583; Thu, 16 Mar 95 23:13:38 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5582; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 23:13:35 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1653; Thu, 16 Mar 1995 22:09:27 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 14:10:32 -0500 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: mo'e X-To: Lojban List To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: <199503152346.AA10123@nfs1.digex.net> from "jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU" at Mar 15, 95 12:19:08 pm Content-Length: 1760 Lines: 45 > > la lojbab cusku di'e na go'i. i la djan. go'e > > >Is {mo'e li ci} the same as {ci} as a quantifier? Or is it the number > > >of numbers three, like supposedly {mo'e pa plise} is the number of apples > > >in "one apple"? > > > > Yes! > > I hate that answer when I ask "A or something incompatible with A?" Sorry. In my dialect the answer "Yes" to "A or B" means "A". I know this causes miscommunications, so I try to suppress it, without total success. (What's worse is that there are some dialects, I'm told, where "Yes" = "B".) > Ok. In that case, {mo'e lo namcu} is "some number", and {mo'e ci namcu} > is meaningless, because {mo'e} takes a referent of one number, not several > referents. Not meaningless. It means "three numbers" considered as a number. > > The second is effectively true, because when we add 'one apple' and > > 'one apple' to get 'two apples' we are in effect adding the number of apples > > in 'one apple'. > > This doesn't make sense to me. If {mo'e li ci} is the number 3, then > {mo'e lo plise} has to be a number of type apple, not the number of apples > in {lo plise}. "mo'e lo plise" is a number of type "apple", but the rules for addition of such numbers aren't defined. By default, I would assume that adding numbers of type "apple" is isomorphic to adding apples. > What do you get when you add 'one number' and 'one number'? 'Two numbers' or > 'one number'? (Please don't answer "yes" :) You probably get "two numbers", but I am willing to accept that adding "one cloud" and "one cloud" gives "one cloud". Typed numbers can escape from the usual number system in various random ways. -- John Cowan sharing account for now e'osai ko sarji la lojban.