From cbogart@CSN.ORG Sat Mar 6 22:46:34 2010 From: Chris Bogart Subject: Re: selbri as sumti Date: Tue Mar 7 23:39:08 1995 Status: RO X-From-Space-Date: Tue Mar 7 23:39:08 1995 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu Message-ID: >I have tried to ask this question before, but never fruitfully. >I find examples of things that behave like both selbri and sumti. >I am too ignorant to know what is going on. I'll try my hand at it... >PROBLEM ONE >How can we say "I always do my shopping on the same day of the >week"? how about: mi vecnu ca ro lo pa jefydje ta'o I don't understand why you used "ca ro me da" in your attempt rather than "ca ro da". >PROBLEM TWO >"I ate a strange kind of fish". What I ate was not strange. >This seems to me to mean: > (a) X is the category of subcategories of the category of fish > (b) Ey X(y), strange(y) > (c) Ez Y(z), I ate (z) mi citka da .i da finpe de .i de cizra ==> mi citka le finpe be de poi cizra or maybe mi citka le finpe be lo cizra I would think that mi citka le cizra jutsi finpe would also work, but it doesn't answer your question about subcategories. >PROBLEM THREE >"Today I performed my quotidian activities": > (a) X is a subcategory of the category of my activities > (b) Quotidian(X) > [Where if Quotidian(X) then Ad day(d) Ez X(z) & z happens > on d] > (c) Ey X(y) I performed y mi ca le cabdei cu gasnu lei se gasnu be ca ro djedi or maybe mi ca le cabdei cu gasnu lei mi roldje selgau or mi cabdei gasnu lei mi roldje selgau I have a feeling I've worded my way around your real concerns, though. ____ Chris Bogart \ / ftp://ftp.csn.org/cbogart/html/homepage.html Quetzal Consulting \/ cbogart@quetzal.com