Return-Path: Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rtHGl-0009acC; Mon, 27 Mar 95 19:03 EET DST Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.11p1+Emil1.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA17522 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 1995 19:03:49 +0300 Received: from LISTSERV.FUNET.FI (LISTSERV@FIPORT) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-13 #2494) id <01HOMX5YDM9C000FTZ@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Mon, 27 Mar 1995 16:03:18 +0200 (EET) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 11:20:21 -0500 (EST) From: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Subject: Re: selbri as sumti Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Message-id: <01HOMX62VIDQ000FTZ@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1178 Lines: 25 And: > But if John goes and then Sophy goes, Sophy's going is a recurrence of > going - of lo nu da klama. And your toothbrushing is a recurrence of > there being something that you brush, and of there being someone that > brushes your teeth, and of there being something that someone brushes. > This is what I was getting at. I am not convinced. What you call "going" is "the event of someone going somewhere from somewhere via some path by some means". Any recurrence of this event will involve the same someone, the same somewheres the same path and the same means. What recurs is an event, not the proposition {da klama}, with {da} unbound. On the other hand, I do see that the event {le nu da zo'u da klama} could recur with different people being {da}. It probably boils down to how similar two things have to be in order to be considered recurrences. Today's John is similar enough to yesterday's, so we have no problem with them being recurrences of the same thing. Maybe Sophy's and John's going are also similar enough. But where do you stop? Is Sophy's running a recurrence of John's singing? After all, they are both recurrences of {lo nu da bu'a}, right? Jorge