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Date:         Thu, 9 Mar 1995 21:09:29 -0700
Reply-To:     Chris Bogart <cbogart@CSN.ORG>
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From:         Chris Bogart <cbogart@CSN.ORG>
Subject:      Re: selbri as sumti
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>Jorge:
>>        mi klama le zarci ca pa jefydje ca ro jeftu
>
>I don't see how {pa jefydje} works. I'd have thought that {pa jefydje}
>is the category of Mondays (or Tuesdays, etc.). I don't klama during
>the category of Mondays. I klama during Mondays.

It might help to have some definitions, and jefydje isn't in my (outdated)
jvoste, so I'll suggest one based on your claim that the x1 should be a
category of days; correct me if it's wrong:

   jefydje:  x1 is the category of all days which are the x2th of the week
                                they fall in

We don't appear to have a gismu that relates members to categories, but I'll
assume for a moment that a category is a kind of set.  Then we can use lu'a...

   mi klama le zarci ca ro lu'a pa lo jefydje

Or cmima...

   mi klama le zarci ca ro cmima be pa lo jefydje

Hmmm.. do these work or we still have the problem of the quantification of
"ro" coming first?

>> >PROBLEM TWO
>> >"I ate a strange kind of fish". What I ate was not strange.

Chris:
>>        mi citka le finpe be lo cizra
Jorge:
>>        mi pu citka lo finpe be lo cizra

>"Strange kind" doesn't necessarily mean "strange species". Species
>are not the only kinds. Moreover, your method will not generalize [...]

Good point.  Can we use "klesi" for "kind"?

        mi citka le finpa poi klesi lo cizra


>> >PROBLEM THREE
>> >"Today I performed my quotidian activities":

>Chris:
>>        mi ca le cabdei cu gasnu lei se gasnu be ca ro djedi

And:
>{se gasnu be ca ro djedi}: It's hard to think of anything that
>satisfies the predicate Is-an-activity-occurring-every-day. Maybe
>a team of bridge painters, working 24 hours a day, year after year.
>Certainly teeth cleaning isn't such an activity: each event of
>teeth cleaning happens on only one day. Yet it is quotidian.

I'm not sure I understand.
"ko'a se gasnu ca ro djedi" is the same as
"ro djedi zo'u ko'a se gasnu"
For each day, x, ko'a happens on day x.  That's true of toothbrushing,
isn't it?  I don't see why ro djedi suggests continuous 24-hour activity
to you.

>Perhaps {mi ca le cabdei cu gasnu pisuho lei se gasnu be mi beho
>noi cabna ro djedi} is a workaround. But not the sort of solution
>I'm seeking.

Why is "noi cabna ro djedi" different from "be ca ro djedi be'o"?

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