Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 12:28:06 -0500 (EST)
From: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU
Subject: Re: selbri as sumti
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To: Veijo Vilva <veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI>
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And:
> > >PROBLEM ONE
> > >How can we say "I always do my shopping on the same day of the
> > >week"?
> >        mi klama le zarci ca pa jefydje ca ro jeftu
>
> I don't see how {pa jefydje} works. I'd have thought that {pa jefydje}
> is the category of Mondays (or Tuesdays, etc.). I don't klama during
> the category of Mondays. I klama during Mondays.
 
I was thinking of it as the time encompassed by all days of a given
kind. I don't think it's such a good idea to make {jefydje} a lujvo
whose x1 is not a period of time.
 
But anyway, with your definition:
 
        mi klama le zarci ca ro jeftu ca lo mintu jefydje cmima
 
{ca lo cmima be lo jefydje poi mintu lei drata}, if you don't want tanru.
 
 
> > >PROBLEM TWO
> > >"I ate a strange kind of fish". What I ate was not strange.
> >        mi citka le finpe be lo cizra
> >        mi pu citka lo finpe be lo cizra
>
> "Strange kind" doesn't necessarily mean "strange species". Species
> are not the only kinds. Moreover, your method will not generalize to:
>
>    I ate a strange kind of food.
>    I read a strange kind of book.
 
        mi citka lo finpe poi cmima lo cizra
        mi citka lo cidja poi cmima lo cizra
        mi tcidu lo selcku poi cmima lo cizra
 
A more complicated one would be "I read all kinds of books", because
here we want the quantifier of "kind" before the one of "book".
(In your example, both are existential quantifiers and commute without
problem.)
 
The only way I can think of doing that is:
 
        ro selcku selcmi zo'u: mi tcidu lo selcku pe sy
 
 
> > >PROBLEM THREE
> > >"Today I performed my quotidian activities":
> >
> >        ca le cabdei mi ba'o gasnu lei mi roldei selzukte
>
> No tanru, please.
 
        ca le cabdei mi ba'o gasnu lei mi selzukte poi roldei
 
 
roldei:  x1 is a quotidian activity (i.e. it belongs to that
  set of quotidian activities that you had defined.)
 
I think your problem is not with the tanru but with {lei}, which
in this case selects only those quotidian activities that happen
today.
 
    ca le cabdei mi ba'o gasnu ro lo mi roldei selzukte pe le cabdei
 
 
Jorge