From LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu Sat Mar 11 04:48:26 1995 From: Chris Bogart Date: Sat Mar 11 04:48:26 1995 Subject: Re: selbri as sumti Status: RO Message-ID: >The problem as I see it is one of quantifier order. When the >quantifiers don't commute, and the syntax allows only one order, >then there is something that can't be said without use of the >prenex. I think you're right. This was a tricky translation, and I wonder if it's possible to learn to say such things, verbally, on the fly, without making logical errors, using a prenex when necessary. I think it probably is learnable, but only if you have a computer reading your text which will be ruthlessly lojxarnu. Development of some kind of interactive lojban-speaking computer game or database or something should be on our collective list of things to do. ____ Chris Bogart \ / ftp://ftp.csn.org/cbogart/html/homepage.html Quetzal Consulting \/ cbogart@quetzal.com