Return-Path: Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rtkEg-0009acC; Wed, 29 Mar 95 01:59 EET DST Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.11p1+Emil1.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA18465 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 01:59:40 +0300 Received: from LISTSERV.FUNET.FI (LISTSERV@FIPORT) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-13 #2494) id <01HOOQ08C2WW000M9S@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Tue, 28 Mar 1995 22:59:21 +0200 (EET) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 17:43:32 -0500 (EST) From: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Subject: Re: selbri as sumti Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Message-id: <01HOOQ08EZGY000M9S@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1011 Lines: 20 And: > > Since krefu > > has a place for the position but not for the dimension (and I hope > > nobody decides to add one) I think it is reasonable to expect that the > > only thing that changes from one occurrence to the next is the time. > And not the place, the effects, the manner, or anything else? That > is, if you magically swap the events round in time, the world remains > not perceptibly altered? This is excessively & pointlessly restrictive. You're right, of course. Let me try again: It is reasonable to expect that reccurrences are described by the same predicate applied to the same referents. Things that are not part of the predicate will in general vary, but the variation in the time is what orders the recurrences. (You need some order to make sense of the x3 of krefu.) You could say that every event is a recurrence of every other event, but that is excessively & pointlessly unrestrictive. I'm not proposing any strict rule, just saying what I would consider to be a recurrence. Jorge