Return-Path: Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rtf5r-0009acC; Tue, 28 Mar 95 20:30 EET DST Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.11p1+Emil1.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA29793 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 1995 20:30:14 +0300 Received: from LISTSERV.FUNET.FI (LISTSERV@FIPORT) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-13 #2494) id <01HOOEHSI7MO000EWY@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Tue, 28 Mar 1995 17:29:54 +0200 (EET) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 18:17:21 +0100 From: ucleaar Subject: Re: selbri as sumti In-reply-to: (Your message of Sun, 26 Mar 95 12:42:57 EST.) Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: ucleaar Message-id: <01HOOEHSJNFM000EWY@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 783 Lines: 18 Jorge: > > The x1 is an individual event, with, as you > > say, determinate sumti, but also with determinate time. The x2 > > obviously is not the same event, & I don't see why (especially if > > we reason from a glico notion of recurrence) it has to be an event > > identical to the x1 in all respects other than tense. > Maybe because the time in which it happens is one of the least important > identifying characteristics of an event, so that two that only differ > in that are almost perceived as the same, just like today's John is > almost perceived as the same as yesterday's John. There are of course a multiplicity of possible differences between individual events. Their places, their causes, their results, their speed, their rhythm, etc. etc. may all differ. --- And