Return-Path: Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rvs8q-0009aeC; Mon, 3 Apr 95 22:50 EET DST Received: from fiport.funet.fi (fiport.funet.fi [128.214.109.150]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.11p1+Emil1.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA04223 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 22:50:28 +0300 Received: from LISTSERV.FUNET.FI (LISTSERV@FIPORT) by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-13 #2494) id <01HOWX4TC4NK004YBE@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Mon, 03 Apr 1995 19:50:12 +0200 (EET) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 1995 20:13:04 +0100 From: ucleaar Subject: Re: More about scopes In-reply-to: (Your message of Mon, 03 Apr 95 20:00:41 N.) Sender: Lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Reply-to: ucleaar Message-id: <01HOWX4TCIS2004YBE@FIPORT.FUNET.FI> X-Envelope-to: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1110 Lines: 28 I realize I'd misunderstood when I replied: > > (4) le ci nanmu cu bevri pa tanxe goi ko'a > > Each of the three men carries it, one box. > > > > This is very different from (1), because now they are all carrying > > the same box. Otherwise, when we next refer to ko'a we wouldn't know > > which box it was! > > > > My conclusion is that {goi} forces the scope of {pa} in this case > > to be wider than that of {ro le ci nanmu}. Am I right? > > Ax, x is one of le ci nanmu, Ey, y is a box, x carries y, y = Koha. > > That looks fine to me, & pa is within scope of le ci namnmu. I was thinking koha had already been assigned a value. But in fact it is the value y that is being assigned to koha. In this case, I don't think (4) shd entail they all carried the same box. Subsequent uses of koha will remain within the scope of le ci nanmu, and it would not be a problem for there to be three boxes. E.g. le ci nanmu cu bevri pa tanxe goi koha i. koha blanu "The three men carried one blue box each." "The three men carried one box each. It/Their box/Each man's box was blue." --- And