From LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu Fri May 12 02:09:17 1995 Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 14:32:25 -0700 From: "John E. Clifford" Subject: proposals To: Bob LeChevalier Message-ID: <_Jsa1CptOID.A.jjE.mt0kLB@chain.digitalkingdom.org> I can't recommend reading Fennimore Cooper (see Mark Twain's lit crit), but I just noticed that he does a lot of using time markers for space: a place is two days away and the like. We could unpack this, of course, to "the distance we could walk in two days" or some such, but that seems unnecessary -- except that not doing so means we need tensor markers for both time and space, not just a single one for both. Out side of physics, I don't know of a case of using spatial terms for times. But I also thought of the now virtually impenetrable "Bogies at 10:30 high" which is an overt time reference for a _vector_(!) "Enemy aircraft about 45 degrees left of straight ahead and more than 30 degrees (I think it is -- you have to look up anyhow) above level" More evidence for a needed spatial vector marker that takes sumti for the direction, not the origin (but how do we say the origin in that case?). pc>|83 >From LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu >From lojbab To: pcliffje@CRL.COM Subject: Re: proposals > But I also >thought of the now virtually impenetrable "Bogies at 10:30 high" which is >an overt time reference for a _vector_(!) "Enemy aircraft about 45 >degrees left of straight ahead and more than 30 degrees (I think it is -- >you have to look up anyhow) above level" More evidence for a needed >spatial vector marker that takes sumti for the direction, not the origin >(but how do we say the origin in that case?). I think our direction indicators in FAhA cover this - I have presumed to usse the sumti in "towards point" to indicate the direction, with the speaker (i.e. the space/time reference) as the origin. I wouold presume that approximate magnitude would be conveyed through vi/va/vu. Does this make sense? lojbab