Return-Path: <@SEGATE.SUNET.SE:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0sBGeM-0009acC; Tue, 16 May 95 10:02 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from segate.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v0.1a) with SMTP id 404C57CD ; Tue, 16 May 1995 9:02:35 +0100 Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 03:01:48 -0400 Reply-To: "Dylan P. Thurston" Sender: Lojban list From: "Dylan P. Thurston" Subject: Re: Reflexivity and {ri} X-To: Logical Language Group X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: <199505160522.AA19805@access1.digex.net> Content-Length: 938 Lines: 32 Here's a mildly related question. What does (1) la djan. prami la djan. .i la suzn. go'i mean? What does (2) la djan. prami ri .i la suzn. go'i mean? And what does (3) la djan. prami vo'a .i la suzn. go'i mean? It seems to me that (1) means "John loves himself. Susan loves John" and (3) means "... John loves herself", while (2) is either (1) or (3)--probably (3). Be warned that textual expansion won't work: consider (4) la djan. prami ri .i do go'i This should have the same behaviour as (2), but {ri} cannot refer back to {do}. Actually, I'd recommend changing the behaviour of {ri}. From the history I know, it seems like the current behaviour was necessary when it was the only form of pronoun; but now {ko'a}, {ra}, etc. (not to mention lerfu) cover pronouns quite sufficiently. Specifically, the antecedent of {ri} should be the sumti whose termination is closest on the left. mu'o mi'e. dilyn.