From @uga.cc.uga.edu:lojban@cuvmb.bitnet Mon May 29 00:58:41 1995 Received: from punt2.demon.co.uk by stryx.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA3131 ; Mon, 29 May 95 00:58:36 BST Received: from punt2.demon.co.uk via puntmail for ia@stryx.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 May 95 05:56:58 GMT Received: from uga.cc.uga.edu by punt2.demon.co.uk id aa28003; 27 May 95 6:56 +0100 Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8182; Sat, 27 May 95 01:55:02 EDT Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UGA) by UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2202; Sat, 27 May 1995 01:55:02 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 01:56:01 -0400 Reply-To: "Dylan P. Thurston" Sender: Lojban list From: "Dylan P. Thurston" Subject: {farlu} X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Iain Alexander In-Reply-To: <01HQYC9HRZAQBHLY1Y@NETOP6.HARVARD.EDU> Message-ID: <9505270656.aa28003@punt2.demon.co.uk> Status: R ba so'i lo xamgu danfu la lojbab cusku di'e > ... > No. You don't ignore them. There must BE a value, even if it is not > convenient or useful or important to say what it is. Thus in an > abstract sense, if there isn't a value for from or a to, it isn't farlu. > It is merely a motion propelled by gravitational force. I think you've convinced me about the screw threads, {plipe} I'm ambivalent about, I disagree about {sfubu} but I can live with it...but these places of {farlu} (the source and destination) strike me as truly unnecessary and harmful. It's not central to the concept of "falling" as I understand it; it unnecessarily restricts the meaning; and I don't know what else to call the more general concept. (On the other hand, if the places are removed there are easy alternatives to specify source and destination; e.g., use the BAI cmavo {ka'a}.) Anybody agree with me? mu'o mi'e la dilyn. noi gleki lonu mi te cipra ca le cerni kei poi romoi leme lenu mi ve bancycu'e