From @uga.cc.uga.edu:lojban@cuvmb.bitnet Mon May 29 00:59:20 1995 Received: from punt2.demon.co.uk by stryx.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA3142 ; Mon, 29 May 95 00:59:18 BST Received: from punt2.demon.co.uk via puntmail for ia@stryx.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 May 95 20:40:23 GMT Received: from uga.cc.uga.edu by punt2.demon.co.uk id aa05737; 27 May 95 21:39 +0100 Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9685; Sat, 27 May 95 16:37:54 EDT Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UGA) by UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 6500; Sat, 27 May 1995 16:37:54 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 16:39:34 -0400 Reply-To: "Dylan P. Thurston" Sender: Lojban list From: "Dylan P. Thurston" Subject: Re: quantifiers on sumti - late response X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Iain Alexander In-Reply-To: <01HR03K84IB6BIK0X2@NETOP6.HARVARD.EDU> Message-ID: <9505272139.aa05737@punt2.demon.co.uk> Status: R ucleaar@ucl.ac.uk writes: > There are differences between masses and myopic singulars, as I'm > sure you're aware. What is a "myopic singular"? > while {ci da stedu loi prenu} > can be true, if the person mass contains three people. Is {ci da stedu loi prenu} right, or would it have to be {piro loi cida stedu loi prenu} or {lo cimei stedu loi prenu}? Is each of the heads, individually, a head of all three? > > > Since there is no point in using quantifiers with > > > loe, that would leave {re do} unambiguously meaning "two of you". > > Yes. Can you accept {mi nitcu re lo'e tanxe} on the same grounds? > > i.e. "I need two of Mr Box"? > > Well, I accept it as much as I accept {re loi tanxe} or {re la xorxes > jambias}. I'm a little bit more wary of {re lo'e tanxe} than the other two. Does it mean "two typical boxes" or "two Platonic ideals for a box"? > > > Ah. {lo broda} is {lo suo broda} and {lohi broda} is {lohi ro broda}? > > No, {lo broda} is {lo ro broda} and yes, {lo'i broda} is {lo'i ro broda}. > > Even more explicitly {lo broda} is {su'o lo ro broda} and {lo'i broda} > > is {piro lo'i ro broda}. > > So what is "a set of boxes"? {pisuho lohi tanxe}? That works, I think. How about {lo se cmima be lo tanxe} or {lo'i su'o lo tanxe}? > --- > And --Dylan