From lojbab@access.digex.net Sat Mar 6 22:45:19 2010 Date: Tue May 23 03:12:53 1995 From: Bob LeChevalier Subject: Re: Reflexivity and {ri} To: "Dylan P. Thurston" X-From-Space-Date: Tue May 23 03:12:53 1995 X-From-Space-Address: lojbab@access.digex.net Message-ID: <8sWBKqdtloH.A.n7E._t0kLB@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Dylan: >Actually, I'd recommend changing the behaviour of {ri}. From the >history I know, it seems like the current behaviour was necessary when >it was the only form of pronoun; but now {ko'a}, {ra}, etc. (not to >mention lerfu) cover pronouns quite sufficiently. Specifically, the >antecedent of {ri} should be the sumti whose termination is closest on >the left. That is close to the default behavior. However you skip most monosyllable members of KOhA as being unnecessary to ri-ify. But wait - what means termination closest? Do you count elided terminators or not? If you think of a main complex sumti with relative clauses and specified description sumti, "last terminated" might mean the whole sumti takes precedence over the pieces. This might be desireable, but if you want one of those pieces it will be hard to get to them in-mind. On the other hand, such main sumti can usually be accessed with vo'a-series, if complex enough, assigned a ko'a with little increase in confusion since it already is complex, or most clearly replaced by a BY or "le sumti" style anaphora. Those tend to be most clear when working at the gross levels of the sentence. ri and ra are meant to work like popping a stack, and the last-terminated is often not the obvious thing to pop up on the mental stack. lojbab