Return-Path: <@SEGATE.SUNET.SE:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0s9ftY-0009acC; Fri, 12 May 95 00:35 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from segate.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v0.1a) with SMTP id 639A13B3 ; Thu, 11 May 1995 23:35:39 +0100 Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 14:32:25 -0700 Reply-To: "John E. Clifford" Sender: Lojban list From: "John E. Clifford" Subject: proposals X-To: lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 916 Lines: 14 I can't recommend reading Fennimore Cooper (see Mark Twain's lit crit), but I just noticed that he does a lot of using time markers for space: a place is two days away and the like. We could unpack this, of course, to "the distance we could walk in two days" or some such, but that seems unnecessary -- except that not doing so means we need tensor markers for both time and space, not just a single one for both. Out side of physics, I don't know of a case of using spatial terms for times. But I also thought of the now virtually impenetrable "Bogies at 10:30 high" which is an overt time reference for a _vector_(!) "Enemy aircraft about 45 degrees left of straight ahead and more than 30 degrees (I think it is -- you have to look up anyhow) above level" More evidence for a needed spatial vector marker that takes sumti for the direction, not the origin (but how do we say the origin in that case?). pc>|83