Return-Path: <@SEGATE.SUNET.SE:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0sAx2R-0009acC; Mon, 15 May 95 13:06 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from segate.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v0.1a) with SMTP id BA821B7D ; Mon, 15 May 1995 12:06:09 +0100 Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 06:04:42 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: Reflexivity X-To: dpt@abel.MATH.HARVARD.EDU X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 499 Lines: 10 >But in Lojban, the equivalent of a reflexive is just a bridi with some of >the terbridi filled with identical values. There is not necessarily an >"agent" to any bridi, the agent need not be in the first terbridi. Well there is some looseness to lujvo semantics. But in any case, I think that sevzi-broda implies some kind of reflecive on the x1 place while sevzi-se-broda would imply one on the x2 place etc. It is not a question of agenthood, but of pointing out the place to reflex. lojbab