From @uga.cc.uga.edu:lojban@cuvmb.bitnet Wed Jun 07 22:50:18 1995 Received: from punt2.demon.co.uk by stryx.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA3292 ; Wed, 07 Jun 95 22:50:16 BST Received: from punt2.demon.co.uk via puntmail for ia@stryx.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Jun 95 21:44:52 GMT Received: from uga.cc.uga.edu by punt2.demon.co.uk id aa22618; 7 Jun 95 22:44 +0100 Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3287; Wed, 07 Jun 95 15:20:09 EDT Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UGA) by UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1267; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 13:45:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 13:35:18 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: And's morphology proposal X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu X-cc: mail@access4.digex.net To: Iain Alexander Message-ID: <9506072244.aa22618@punt2.demon.co.uk> Status: R la .and. cusku di'e > A proposal: > > Lojban allows the following syllables (cmavo in UI): > > .ua .ue .ui .uo .uu [?wa ?we ?wi ?wo ?wu] > .ia .ie .ii .io .iu [?ja ?je ?ji ?jo ?ju] > > I would like to propose that the following syllables be > made available as cmavo: > > bua bue bui buo (buu) [bwa bwe bwi bwo (bwu)] > ... In other words you are proposing that we add in a problem we got rid of in leaving TLI Loglan behind. The problem is that some of these diphthong combinations become difficult to say or hear for some speakers. e.g. sia vs. ca zia vs. ja tia vs. tca and until I started studying Russian, I couldn't say "lia" or "ria" - even now I find it easier to use the Russian linguistic model that this is palatalizing the consonant rather than actually saying the indicated glide. JCB counterted this by allowing people to optionally do difficult diphthiongs as dissylables, which led to ambiguity as to which was the penultimate syllable. lojbab