From @uga.cc.uga.edu:lojban@cuvmb.bitnet Sun Jun 04 23:48:06 1995 Received: from punt2.demon.co.uk by stryx.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA3243 ; Sun, 04 Jun 95 23:48:03 BST Received: from punt2.demon.co.uk via puntmail for ia@stryx.demon.co.uk; Fri, 02 Jun 95 23:27:10 GMT Received: from uga.cc.uga.edu by punt2.demon.co.uk id aa03610; 3 Jun 95 0:26 +0100 Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9969; Fri, 02 Jun 95 19:24:40 EDT Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UGA) by UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8290; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:24:40 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 00:24:13 +0100 Reply-To: ucleaar Sender: Lojban list From: ucleaar Subject: Re: quantifiers on sumti - late response X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Iain Alexander In-Reply-To: (Your message of Thu, 01 Jun 95 21:02:14 D.) Message-ID: <9506030026.aa03610@punt2.demon.co.uk> Status: R Dylan: > > > > If I want to say "some books are blue" I can say either {ro lo suho > > > > lo cukta cu blanu} or just {lo cukta cu blanu}, while if I want to > > > > say "some books have a colour" I need to say {ro lo suo lo cukta cu > > > > se skari}, or something like that. > > > What's wrong with {lo cukta cu se skari}? Unfilled places are > > > very accomodating. > > What fills the unfilled places in the logical form? I can't think > > of anything that would do the job. > How about just {lo cukta cu se skari da}? The order is important > here: "For some books: for some da (maybe depending on the book): the > book has color da". I may well be wrong, but I think the order doesn't matter, & your example means "There is something, X, and there is something, Y, such that X is colour of Y and Y is a book". Again, I may be wrong, but I think you are interpreting the example as "Each of some books has a colour", which is in fact exactly how I think it should be interpreted (though this is not the current official line), the logical form being: There is a set, X, such that for every Y such that Y is in X, Y is a book and there is something that is colour of Y. --- And