Return-Path: <@SEGATE.SUNET.SE:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0sOU7k-0000YkC; Wed, 21 Jun 95 21:03 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from segate.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v0.1a) with SMTP id 87681760 ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 20:03:24 +0200 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:03:50 EDT Reply-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Subject: Re: si'o and djuno X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 747 Lines: 21 > >Or rather, one doesn't "know" (djuno) a telephone number. What we are > >discussing is not knowing a number, but knowing whether a number belongs > >to someone or not. We know (djuno) facts, not objects. > > Fine for djuno. What is the predicate is "pensi"? Do we only "pensi" > facts? Not according to the gismu list. > Can I "pensi le du'u makau klama co sutra loi gusni" (think > about the fact that something travels faster than light)? I don't understand {sutra loi gusni}, the x2 of sutra seems to ask for an event. "I think about the fact that something travels faster than light" I would translate as {mi pensi le du'u da zmadu lo'e gusni le ka sutra le nu klama}, assuming {klama} is the right word for what light does. Jorge