Return-Path: <@SEGATE.SUNET.SE:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE by xiron with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0sOKcz-0000YlC; Wed, 21 Jun 95 10:55 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from segate.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v0.1a) with SMTP id C23D9795 ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 9:42:16 +0200 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 03:41:46 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: si'o and djuno X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 714 Lines: 15 Jorge: >> > Use different terms for telephone numbers and concepts of telephone >> > numbers. Mike's telephone number can be the same as Mary's without >> > the concept of Mike's telephone number being the same as the concept >> > of Mary's telephone number. We make knowledge applicable to concepts. > >Or rather, one doesn't "know" (djuno) a telephone number. What we are >discussing is not knowing a number, but knowing whether a number belongs >to someone or not. We know (djuno) facts, not objects. Fine for djuno. What is the predicate is "pensi"? Do we only "pensi" facts? Can I "pensi le du'u makau klama co sutra loi gusni" (think about the fact that something travels faster than light)? lojbab