From @uga.cc.uga.edu:lojban@cuvmb.bitnet Mon Jun 26 00:25:09 1995 Received: from punt2.demon.co.uk by stryx.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA3605 ; Mon, 26 Jun 95 00:25:07 BST Received: from punt2.demon.co.uk via puntmail for ia@stryx.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Jun 95 17:33:06 GMT Received: from uga.cc.uga.edu by punt2.demon.co.uk id aa20057; 24 Jun 95 18:32 +0100 Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU by uga.cc.uga.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9173; Sat, 24 Jun 95 13:30:38 EDT Received: from UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UGA) by UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 5103; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 13:30:38 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 13:33:24 EDT Reply-To: jorge@phyast.pitt.edu Sender: Lojban list From: jorge@phyast.pitt.edu Subject: Re: mass again X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Iain Alexander Message-ID: <9506241832.aa20057@punt2.demon.co.uk> Status: R > >> lo junta be loi remna cu ki'ogra li xa .a li vonono,ki'o,ki'o .a li tu'o > >> A weight of the mass of humanity is in kilograms "6" or "400,000,000" or > >> "almost any number you choose". > > > >You are claiming that at least one of those is true, which is a weaker > >claim than what you mean, I think. > > > >I think that what you meant to say is: > > > >li xa e li vononoki'oki'o e li tu'o cu se ki'ogra lo junta be loi remna > > Not what I meant to say. I obviously wanted the mutual XOR, which for 3 > items is impractical to do with logical connectives. But XOR would say that only one is true. Don't you mean that: 6 is the number of kilograms of some mass of humans AND 400,000,000 is the number of kilograms of some mass of humans AND "whatever" is the number of kilograms of some mass of humans Of course, which mass of humans is different for each number, that's why {loi remna} has to come after the {e}s. The XOR version would say that only one of those is true, but you want to say that all of them are. > So my more correct statement should have been: > lo junta be loi remna cu ki'ogra pa lu'a li xa ce li vonono,ki'o,ki'o ce li tu'o That says the same as the XOR version, but it is a weaker claim than what you want. You are saying that only one of those three weights is the weight of some mass of humans. But you want to say that all of those weights are the weights of some mass (a different mass for each). Jorge